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Previous Thread Next Thread. So this is a claim I recently found in a video on FB that has spread quite a bit lately created by a gentleman named Jordan Maxwell. In the video he attempts to compare Admiralty Law The practice of using shipping manifests for ships coming into harbor with the Practice of birth certificates.

He claims that your birth certificate in the US is a security on the stock exchange in the NY stock market. Quoting his words in the video directly Content from external source. This seems like a claim without evidence, which are not normally worth debunking. Does he actually give any evidence at all that his claim is true?

Mick West , Dec 15, Well his evidence is the apparently that those numbers on a birth certificate are designating a link to a stock However this could be debunked if we can have a source designating what those numbers REALLY mean. I would just test his claim head on but currently I don't have access to my BC I feel this is still worth debunking because it's quite popular for conspiracy heads to throw around.

A bit off subject from the main claim I found an issue with some small talk at the beginning of the video where he claims the practice of birth certificates came from Isn't this a belief of the Freeman on the land movement? They seem to re-interpret the law and legalese and ignore statutes as being optional The bit about the Birth Certificate bonds arises from this belief Balance , Dec 15, They seem to re-interpret the law and legalese and ignore statutes as being optional.

American Buffalope , Dec 15, Balance hit the right nail on the head. This is straight from the FOTL Freeman On The Land and sovereign citizen playbook. Please ignore it for the sake of not becoming one of those dreadful people who insist on their right to argue their legal status in traffic court for as long as possible while dozens of other people wait to have their case heard. That's a claim without any evidence. Certificates vary greatly by state, and have changed over time.

Obviously they would have serial numbers. But they all vary by state. Sorry, but unless there a more specific claim of evidence, then I don't really feel there's anything to debunk. You make a good point Mick, so he's essentially just rambling on about a claim that isn't even able to be tested through information then aye?

I knew I had seen this calim before this is old bunk http: Trailblazer , Dec 16, Mick West , Dec 16, Whitebeard , Jan 5, Gnarly Carly has a similar theory about traffic tickets. Landru , Jan 5, Like the guy I know who had a fool proof way of not paying his UK TV license.

It worked fine until the court letter for non-payment arrived and he wrote back with his sure-fire legal grounds for not paying Efftup , Jan 5, It is very sad when people believe these things. Interesting that the people spouting it very rarely actually use them themselves.

I understand that John Harris, a big promoter of this kind of stuff just paid up when chased for back taxes, and didn't try any of the tricks he was advocating. Efftup , Jan 6, FOI requests sorry I can't find them right now answer what the numbers officially represent.

Balance , Jan 6, If a company is made up of Me, mick, and TW CObra, then you have to sue the three of us individuals as we are the company.

If I leave and Weedwhacker and Deirdre join the board, you have to go back to companies house and change all the details so someone then has to deal with a different set of directors.

So instead, the COMPANY is given a Business registration which is a legal fiction and is described as "being like a birth certificate for the company" so you then deal with or sue the COMPANY. And whoever is in charge takes the rap, rather than having to change a lot of paperwork EVERY time the personnel change.

So a birth certificate does NOT make a person like a company, a company registration makes it like a person.

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It is based on a big misunderstanding, whether accidental or a deliberately taken out of context. The name Master Stuart is likely used to avoid It's interesting because it's right on the intersection between fantasy and reality.

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So there's a buffer between fantasy and reality. Here with "sovereign citizen" type beliefs the idea that you don't have to pay taxes or get a driver's license, or pay debts is in direct conflict with practical reality. A reckoning is inevitable, and that reckoning for most people I suspect will hit them like a cold bucket of realization that they were wrong at least on the practical level. Other belief systems, like chemtrails or aliens, have no such reckoning. There's no real consequence to belief in chemtrails other than a building puzzlement that the end of the world is not arriving, and not understanding why your friends and family don't talk to you any more.

Perhaps it might be useful regarding chemtrails to force some kind of reckoning?

I'm thinking specifically about predictions people make. You know Dane Wigington is constantly predicting the imminent collapse of everything. Has he put a date on it? Have there been prior predictions?

Mick West , Jan 7, Having dealt with a few recently I can say they are true believers in what they've read and been told is "the law" which is what can make them a bit on the dangerous side. Even if you print off legislation and read it to them, they will swear black and blue that it's not lawful because the government is listed on the stock exchange and therefore is a company that they dont need to obey?

No lawyer will bother with them, and most refuse legal representation because "that would grant someone power over them in legal matters" I've seen the same "Freemen" get arrested time and again due to non appearance in court, warrant after warrant, all because it just doesnt hit them that they've got it wrong.

One was remanded for weeks at a time for refusing to give the magistrate his name, as that would be "giving the court a name by which to enslave me" Efftup , Jan 7, I never really understood how they brought Maritime law into it though.

That never made sense.

I've seen an Australian posting on facebook how the Pope has some control over Aussie laws or something and that was linked to Maritime law somehow.

Totally random occams rusty scissor but quoting what you said above on what they claim "Even if you print off legislation and read it to them, they will swear black and blue that it's not lawful because the government is listed on the stock exchange and therefore is a company that they dont need to obey. Is it do to Gross domestic product?

Or is that just another fallacy they made up as well. What this definitely shows is that knowledge really is power.

It's amazing how a lack of understanding on how stock exchange works and essentials of law and perhaps a bit of history lead to people just jumping right into these believes without asking themselves or checking if it just might be bullshit Out of curiosity, are goverment's actually listed on the stock exchange?

The Australian government is, apparently, listed as " Commonwealth of Australia" on a stock exchange, as explained in the link above. There's a legit reason for it I'm sure, but don't look for it on this page.

I suspect though that that's the visible tip of the iceberg - the stuck true believer.

There are many more who go to a seminar, don't file their income tax, then get caught or just succumb to reason and realize it's not actually going to work. Yeah I dont quite get the origin of that either. I had one guy bring the Phoenecians! Theres an attempted explanation here: I tried googling all the sets of numbers on my Birth certificate. I got a wide range of hits, but none were suspicious or specific to me. Searching a string of numbers, up to 9 or so numbers especially if there are spaces , will bring-up almost anything, from baby toys, to gov't supply numbers.

I wonder if this has confused anyone Leifer , Jan 7, This type of thing is why I dissuade semantic arguments. If you are arguing over the meaning of words, then use different words. If the words are in a law that applies to you then check with a lawyer, or just ask the judge when you are in court.

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