True Colours Comments 1, Saturday, July 14, Hate the Liverpool home — plain and boring, the only saving grace is the return of the Liverbird, and in answer to the controversy re. And on a final note, what is going on with Macron?

Difficult to get them across in my illustration style. Something about Macron I kinda like though. After some of the horrible change kits Chelsea have had in recent years, the white shirt with the sky blue sash looks really classy, and the faded effect on the three stripes looks brilliant. The home is not too shabby either. Aston Villa have a really nice home shirt, but the less said about the monstrosity that is the change, the better.

Im not too impressed with the Man City home mostly due to the monotone badge, though this does work better than on the current England kitbut I am very impressed with the change shirt, which has a wonderful burgundy and gold colour combo. I love the Chelsea home kit. Simply stunning, and kind of appropriate now with the gold after the Champions League win. As most people do, I really like the away too. The Liverpool home kit is great. Really smart from Warrior to just keep it simple.

Especially after like seven years with the mandatory Adidas stripes. Not too sure about the way though. Just a bit too busy. The away is just an abomination, and is symbolic of Nike seemingly losing their minds. The home would have been fine, had it not been for the red stripe on the sleeves. The Everton away kit is good.

I know that black kits tend to get a hard time on here, but I like them. Just simple and classy. The home is rubbish though, those cuffs, blimey… it looks even worse in action.

I like the Fulham kits. I have a soft spot for Kappa. There kits never seem to really change, and I mean that in a good way. The home kit is very big though.

Just out of interest, will you be doing article about the new kits, John? Also, will you be illustrating the new Championship kits? The gingham effect is terrible. Yeah, the Man United home is awful. Just more proof that Nike have lost their minds. I agree the Gingham is dreadful though. So galling to see City get so many classic kits in recent years while Nike give us rubbish like this. To be honest this years Nike set are absolutely dreadful. If that is how they plan on Kitting out Arsenal in the future then good luck to them.

Most disappointed with Everton kits from Nike, well the home, as the away is quite smart but the home ones looks like average team wear kit and im presuming it is due to lack of team name on socks which is usually the tell tale sign between team wear and bespoke with Nike and Adidas and also them using the park gk kit where arsenal have a different design.

Much preferred the Le Coq effort last year. None of the big Nike teams Man United, Barcelona, Arsenal seem to anymore, for the past three or four years. Actually, Arsenal are in the Champions League and I think you need to register three kits if you are playing in the Champions League or Europa League.

By the way, what do people think of the Newcastle away kit? Have they used maroon as a change colour in the past? The irony being that the cotton trade died a death because of cheaper materials from the far east where the shirts are now made.

One of my favourites now added to the site is the Reading home — restrained and classy use of red for the shoulder flash, and wider hoops that make the sponsor stand out better. Puma really seem to THINK about kits, unlike Nike and to a lesser extent Umbro who just seem to throw ideas out and hope that they stick. Honourable mention also to Kappa and the Fulham away — orange is an unusual colour choice for them, but with white and black is really classy.

With you on Reading, Martyn. That new Puma template has been modeled in XXL by the likes of Sheffield Wednesday but Reading have worn it in the right size and it looks fantastic. Notice that the short sleeves are still slim cut but are now longer. Looks great either way, as does the larger profile sponsor and use of red. One of my favourites for the new season. Maybe I am boring but I think they would have been better off with a basic Adidas design, in a red shirt, white shorts, and blue socks.

The thing is Eric, Team GB have that design in all of the sports so it has to fit into that rather than being a stand-alone. I do agree, Eric, but I would have liked to see the proper UJ colours used instead of that turquoise colour — I wondered what Stella McCartney was thinking when I saw it unveiled! Missed opportunity in my opinion. They should have stuck with the initial designs as modelled by Gareth Bale last year.

I think there is a rational explanation for Everton having teamwear kits. As a result of the deal being signed after the cut-off point, Everton had to settle for teamwear designs in the colours of their choosing, which have a quicker lead-time for production.

I know this happened with Galatasaray, who signed a late deal with Nike and had to wear teamwear designs in their colours last season. I know Fulham wore a few Nike Teamwear kits a few years back, but their deal was with Just Sport, who I think also arrange deals with other clubs wearing Nike Teamwear style designs.

In Blackburn games last season you had players with one white sleeved forearm and one blue wearing long sleeves and some with two white sleeved forearms wearing short sleeves over baselayers.

Also, am I right in thinking that national association logos are banned from the Olympic football tournament? How does it work in terms of national association manufacturer v olympic kit manufacturer?

Will Spain wear adidas or something along these lines? Look forward to seeing it if it is that brand. I quite like the track tops http: I love the line in the article that said Hummel had only 10 days to think up both home and away kits. I do agree though, having a white home, navy blue away, and dark grey third — is not ideal. Arsenal did that at Blackpool last season of course.

Like I say, I see your point, I guess we just have to agree to disagree buddy. What I mean is, I remember when Chelsea played Birmingham in the FA Cup last season. But Birmingham changed to blue socks, because of Chelsea wearing white.

That just seems all wrong to me. Oh and similar to Arsenal-Charlton, in at the Emirates Liverpool wore their home shorts and socks with their grey away, caused quite the confusion. Something to consider is perspective with one player standing yards behind another. White, blue, white can be confused with blue, white, blue in the eyeline to seem like, at a glance, two players are teammates.

Italy vs France is generally all blue v all white or all white v all blue and if it was blue, white, blue v white, blue, white or even white, blue, white v blue, white, red then it could cause difficulty for officials and compromise the ease of viewing for spectators.

The only thing I can think of is that because NZ were representing the Olympic team they were wearing the colours of that, which are probably predominantly black. Looking forward to that. Wow, some GREAT comments here people, True Colours visitors are definitely the most intelligent football kit commentators out there! Interesting to hear the clash arguments. Which is the point Denis made about Arsenal vs Blackpool a season or so ago. In this day and age with awareness and experience of kits at a peak there is no reason why the teams cannot be attired in a way to make them clearly different.

Surely it makes the refs job easier although interestingly this is a topic that no pundits ever pick up on! Questionable alright John especially if they are drawn away to WBA in a cupthough the navy should just about work against royal and white sides, as it did for Everton a few years ago.

I saw the new navy blue away kit being promoted, and just assumed they were retaining the yellow away kit from last season, as the third kit for the new season. The Baggies kit does seem to be a problem for some clubs.

I was at the Newcastle game and it was awful, as was the Stoke game last year. Our home kit had a lot of white last year, meaning dark kits were fine.

This one has far more navy, so it should be interesting! They are awful too. By the way, Denis, Birmingham actually did have yellow change socks, to go with that yellow-white-white third kit.

Strangely though, the first team never did. If ever they needed to use change socks, they just used the blue pair from the home kit. I agree with Statto. Not like if England wore their red gk kit…. It seems that nine times out of ten, the home teams just wears their away kit. Like the season before the last, which I think was the last time it happened in the Premier League, in the match between Aston Villa and West Ham.

A few years before, it would have been West Ham having to borrow that white Villa kit. Although, teams wearing different branding is probably a much bigger issue than it was at one time. I just noticed on the Arsenal Wikipedia page I know! They do need a light change kit and the only way would be to keep the Away for a third season reverting to its original crest. If Van Persie toddles off then the new captain might be into that.

The Everton kit is nice, but it would look so much better with white socks. InCity wore their away shorts at Villa, but rather than go with a mismatching sky-maroon-navy, they changed socks too:. They will now be one of the best dressed teams in the Prem. Covers every eventuality, avoiding clashes as described above. Martyn, like the Chelsea Away, though the gradient on the stripes I think is overkill. The sash was enough on that kit.

Jay — Think we have to agree to disagree on that one. Eric — Anticipated this one! I would think that as the WBA is mostly navy, Chelsea will use the standard away shirt, which is light enough to avoid clashing, with new shorts.

The last Bayern away kit was initially unveiled with navy shorts but with the majority of red teams in the Bundesliga also wearing dark shorts adidas soon came out with a white alternative pair — maybe they will issue a sky blue pair to go with the shirt? They do have an alternative set of white socks for the kit too, having worn them in pre-season. Also forgot to mention, in the last decade Chelsea wore their home kit at the Hawthorns, because their change kits would have clashed. Must have just happened to miss Match of the Day on those weeks!

They did at Birmingham also. You would have thought that at both Stamford Bridge and St. Andrews, they would have just worn the white third kit. I think if they can get away with it a lot of teams will try to wear Home kits in local derbies. Newcastle-Sunderland being a prime example. With you on that again, Denis. The best thing for Chelsea at West Brom will be to wear their Home, probably with the change Home socks http: Interestingly, John has now added the Swansea away — I think that one is stunning as well.

Which bright spark at Umbro had the idea of getting rid of Southamptons traditional stripes for their return to the Prem? Surely a striped home shirt, and a yellow and blue away ie.

Back to the Premier League and as for Southampton, I heard their new kit has divided the Saints faithful. As you said though, they at least had the black shorts to keep a part of tradition going!

What about Man Utd fans? If anyone wants to see a truly ridiculous clash, have a look on ITV player for the 8th July edition of the Big Match Revisited.

Skip to the last game through numerous adverts and you can see Coventry wearing their TV kit, which had a sky blue T covering most of the front with a white back and a black number. They were playing Manchester City who were wearing white shirts… with a black number.

From behind they look identical. I assume City only had the 2 kits at the time. Something even dafter I remember from a few years back was Port Vale wearing black and white striped shirts with a plain white back and black number. They were playing Lincoln, who rather than wear their home red and stripes all the way round wore their away plain white shirt with a black number. I can only assume they forgot the home shirts. Sky blue of course.

I suppose they could wear it against West Brom…. I suspect they might need a 4th kit for Sheffield Wednesday. If Wednesday had white shorts though and Blackburn wore the third as is, then I think it would cause problems. We could well see a fourth kit. Being of a certain age and an Arsenal fan I remember the game well. Arsenal wore their tremendous green and blue of the time. Not sure, but on that Arsenal green kit, its been usurped as the worst change kit the gunners have had by this seasons effort IMHO.

That template has been used by quite a few teams quite well PSG, Monterrey, Kaizer Chiefsbut the Arsenal shirt is awful. Also, considering Reading are playing in the Premiership, its a bit of a let down them playing in cheap teamwear this season, the style used by the African teams or the top puma style would have been so much nicer than something picked from a catalogue. Also, the new Norwich home kit is very nice, but as its very similar to the old one, was there really a need?

Thanks for that Denis, quick one for you: Cork and Galway will lock horns again shortly, are you like myself thinking that neither team will change? Ronan, IMO there is zero chance of a change. Galway wore white for a football league game in 03 and Cork did so in hurling, but other than Galway wearing maroon shorts in a few meetings in the 80s, these are the only changes apart from the All-Ireland football final.

Re Boro, they had been forced to change socks in previous round v Notts County and Malcolm Allison decided to keep the blue for remainder of cup run. A mate of mine said it all about the Arsenal away shirt…. Hvaing viewed it in a shop it is more like a running top than a traditional kit but thats Under Armour for you I suppose. The last example I can think of was Man U wearing red at West Ham inpossibly because they had lingering jitters about their grey kit before it went postal at The Dell.

I know Villa wore their home kit at Arsenal inbut that was when they had the broad claret and blue striped kit. Actually, I found a worse example from a bit sooner…. Worse, it was rather sunny too. In fact I remember they wore the previous away kit navy with turquoise thunder flash at Liverpool in the August, on TV.

Amazingly, these teams are wearing change kits http: I think yellow and navy was first worn at Old Trafford in October Winterburn og? I really would not like it if that were the case, it would be a sad day, especially for a club like Liverpool with such a strong pedigree of winning in Europe wearing red. Talk about a marketing fail. Navy with the slightest purple hue perhaps. I saw no other Liverpool shirts in Cardiff.

IMO they should be reserved for European games only, or obviously matches where there is a clash. But other than that they should be wearing blue shorts and every Spurs fan I speak to seems to agree. Luckily for us traditionalists they will wear blue shorts in defeat at the Emirates this coming season………. Another European shorts tradition, though one which we are not likely to see revived, is Man Utd with red shorts.

Not a hope in hell of ever seeing Man Unted in red shorts ever again. Strange to think that they wore that combination years before their old buddies along the M62 ever did. Odd how they had no problem doing it as recently as AFAIKbut then just stopped, even though Spurs would change for games at Stamford Bridge.

Apologies Jon, my memory playing tricks again http: It looks like they are just having last seasons black, and red and black as the away and third kits though. Im not sure what all the fuss is about the Man U home kit.

I get the design is not for everyone but on the pitch the gingham pattern has a subtle effect and the actual design of the shirt with the black v collar and lack of piping and trim is undestated and classic.

I think people feel the need to hate on it because it is United mostly. The white away kit is in a different class though. I wasnt a big fan of last seasons home kit. The collar seemed odd and the overall feel and quality of the shirt wasnt great. This seasons if you can get past the gingham and I realise that is a big ask for some people lol has a much better overall design and quality. Gotta say though after watching the Real Madrid game this evening I am very impressed with the Madrid home jersey.

My main problem with the Man Utd home shirt is the lack of white in it. Man Utd shirt should be red and white not red and black. The Away kit at least goes back to the traditional away colours in my eyes but its not perfect,the badge needs to be in colour and the shorts are checkered for some reason,the best bit is the socks!

Maybe Nike are cutting back on costs and had them checkered so they can be used as the home change shorts aswell! I wonder what kit Liverpool will wear in Europe after being drawn against Hearts? Loved those shorts, Jon. Liverpool will probably wear the black Away against Hearts. On a somewhat related note, has anyone ever known a club to change kit manufacturer but keep the same bespoke lettering and numbering font?

Thought all their gear would have been adidas? Even saw Germany athletics team in nike!! Liverpool kept the same numbering ans lettering because it was the club that developed that custom font rather than adidas. Is it not the third season of that style? I agree with the white continuing despite the gold details but something could have been created to complement the style of the new kit. Surely the Man City kit manager would have known that the mauve kit would have caused a clash with Chelsea?

To confuse matters even moreso, the yellow strip that Pantilimon wore was already prepared with logos and fonts applied, he even changed shorts and socks at half time…. As for the thing about Liverpool carrying over fonts to a different supplier, I think Tottenham are doing likewise by wearing their custom typeface in cup competition. Also I know the FAW did it with the Welsh kits when changing over from Champion to Umbro in You know something, I kinda miss teams having their own typefaces on their shirts, it adds their own individuality to their kit, rather than having another money making arm of the corporate Premier League beast thrust upon them in the form of their own numbers and letters.

UEFA even tried that trick and even though their font set is still used by a handful of teams, clubs have put whatever they want on shirts. The third shirt has been leaked and will be dark grey of a blue-ish hue and black stripes, with the logos rendered in sky blue. Which teams have worn that? Birmingham used it in the Europa League last season. And, I seem to remember Everton using it two or years ago. Is that definitely a UEFA one Eric? Thought it was this? Birmingham Xtep used the same one as Arsenal Nike in the Europa League last season, so I thought it must have been the standard UEFA one.

I find it funny that Arsenal still have the reputation as being a team who really care and put a lot of thought into their kits…. I mean other things, like causing clashes, having goalkeeper kits that clash with their outfield players, amongst other things…. Hopefully the Arsenal return to Adidas rumour turns out to be correct…. Would it not have been better for the GK to wear the red shirt with the black shorts from the 3rd GK kit????

As I understand it, England currently have three goalkeeper kits: I thought the Italy shirt and goalkeeper kit was great, though I thought more of Schillaci and Zenga than Tardelli and Zoff.

Disappointed with the GK kit I must say, it should have been silver rather than grey, and needed black shorts and blue socks to finish it off. I think the subtle changes made to the Italy shirt make it look more retro and way classier.

Saying that I agree they should have used this kit in the Euros. This is obviously mainly a marketing ploy by Puma to sell more shirts. Surprised that Arsenal have opted to retain a kit for a third season, rather than market a new third strip for extra coin, now that is a shock. Perhaps the same apply to Sunderland and West Brom too. Less is more and all that.

Do we need to differentiate? Surely the major factor is the top, in particular the sleeves. Do we know why the change was brought about? PL should have a template drawn and all clubs should fill it in, so to speak. If Newcastle had a black back rather than white then all-white would have been fine for Spurs. We never seem to agree on anything, do we Denis? By the way, does anybody have a picture of the Tottenham third kit?

Much more appropriate these days. Agree with Bale in 11 and VdV 10, just wish Arsenal would stop with Diaby 2, Sagna 3 and Santos If the shirt was just grey, then fair enough, but the black stripes make it superfluous, and will cause an issue at West Brom for certain. Still, better than his choice of kit the last time Chelsea played at Wigan on the opening day — charcoal grey, while his team mates wore black one that the ref missed!

Howard Webb has joined in by ordering David Silva to do likewise after he had white tape on his socks, which then got covered up with light blue tape.

Suppose its one rule for goalkeepers………. It reminds me of the time when FIFA tried to outlaw untucked shirts in the World Cup, telling referees to issue bookings for such misdemeanours. Thankfully common sense prevailed. To be fair, a lot of players were using so much of the white tape, that it looked like they were wearing white socks.

Which can cause a problem if the opposition are actually wearing white socks. Although, according to the commentator in the Man City v Southampton match, it has gone down really well with the supporters.

Glad to see us on a post relating to Prem. Also we had no sponsor on our shirts for Plymouth as we had no sponsor at all at that point! Jobsite contract ran out at the end of last season. Jobsite resigned as sponsor a day or 2 after the Plymouth game, days or so before the first league game.

Yeah, United are serial offenders http: Pana keeper is wearing a greenish-grey shirt and the outfielders are in the usual dark green, very hard to tell apart from a distance. The Panathinikos GK choice is a shocker, very bad clash when at a glance, also would have thought Malaga would have been worthy of a bespoke kit from Nike.

They could only have bettered it with a white V neck I suspect that tweak to appear next time they change the kit. As for the Navy bands on the Arsenal kit, I think they are naff and pointless.

About the only thing I agree with you is that Tottenham should have Navy shorts white for Europe. Recently I bought the book Football Manager Stole My Life and, rather predictably, it resulted in my downloading the version, so my hours are going to be taken up with it. The data editor had some kit options though, with the possibility of including change shorts and socks, as well as making changes for different competitions! Just my opinion, no offence meant.

In reference to Denis and Football Manager, if only Fifa creation centre had the same facility for change kit elements and different compositions! Hearts are wearing white at home, with Liverpool in black, which is apparently registered as their third strip in European competition. And as you say, the Liverpool shirt would look much better with a white v-neck.

Massive fan of the new Arsenal home kit — was a huge fan of the previous two, but this is great too. Love the navy trim — reminds of the 90s, and looks so smart on the collar. My only qualm is as with those kits mentioned — why not red socks? When are Arsenal going to return to red, for the most part of their history the most traditional colour?

The and kits looked, so, so much better when worn with red. Still, Gunners fans can be happy that this strip will have a two-year lifespan — if only all clubs adopted this policy. We can but dream. Arsenal home shirt has really grown on me. Hated it at first. Aston villas home shirt has too much going on with the collar and the shors look naf. Chelseas home and away are pretty good if nothing special. Evertons home just doesnt look right with the armbands. Overall it is a cheap looking shirt.

Fulham kappa kits re meh. Liverpools home kit s not bad but agree with the comments that there is too much yellow on it. Man ctys kits are class. Best of the bunch in my opinion. Big fan of the home kit, in the minority I know. Away kit looks great too but heads up I picked it up without tryin it on and the collar feels reallyuncomfortable Spurs kits look pretty good but would have to say after seeing them i person they look really cheap. Not much to say about all the generic adidas kits.

Very uninspired and lazy. And other crap looking Puma Newcastle shirt. They havte y et to make a decent looking shirt for them when compared to the Italyand African nations cup kits. John may aswell close the comments section down, if we start agreeing with each other!

Barca always had really nice classy looking tradititional shirts until the last three or four. It now seems to be a case of what can we do next instead of traditional stripes to make them look as tacky as possible. The new Real Madrid shirt on the other hand is plain yet different to previous offerings.

Having said that I always preferred Madrid kits with purple trim as was the case in the Hummel and Kelme kit days. I like the Real kit — navy as trim with subtle hints of sky blue works well — but purple would make a nice change. Have you seen the new Bundesliga kits? So it could be one of theirs. For example, a couple of years ago adidas used a template for 1. As you say, Hannover have had some interesting kits, and this season is no exception.

Interesting that the only English team that adidas experiment on with trim seems to be Chelsea. Biggest UK contract I suppose — but they do seem to try different things there. Referee Uriah Rennie in action during the Barclays Premiership match between Middlesbrough and Fulham on November 20, at The Riverside Stadium in Middlesbrough, England. Martyn — The Bayern kit in and of itself is nice, but unsurprisingly http: Eric, the kit Uriah Rennie is wearing is an official sports kit, they had the contract for the premier league and football league after nike and before umbro.

They have ceased trading in the UK but still provide most of the refs kits in the US although not MLS as they have adidas. The nike ref kit had two narrow white lines going doen the sleeves on the black kit, the lines were black on the coloured kit. Still love it though, traditional or not! Being a Bayern fan, and a fan of football kit design, we have a very complicated history when it comes to strips, with some one off combinations that would no doubt cause Jon some headaches if he did do a European TC!

Did anyone see the highlights of Wycombe v Bristol Rovers? Both team were in home kits. Wycombe Sky Blue and Navy halves and Rovers in Royal and white quarters. Also watching the Football League Show made me annoyed at how many teams who wear red, having orange goalkeeper kits. We will have to see what we wear in the replay. Denis, I am with you on the referee kit offerings this season, however just wish the Black kit had a white collar!

Agian not a terrible clash but I suspect other clubs will change from white against Rovers. One other thing from the weekend — WBA wore red shorts and socks with their new away at White Hart Lane, did they think Spurs still had navy shorts?

Seem to recall similar last season when West Ham paired their away shorts and socks with the home shirt. My own thought at the time Denis was that on the body of the shirt, the badge, sponsor and the GAA logo were all on the cotton shirt in felt.

Anyone watching the Spanish Supercup? Fraser Forster in goal for Celtic is in all black and so are the officials — bear in mind you have the ones now placed to the side of the goal who do nothing. You do often see the officials wearing the same colour as a goalkeeper, which I am fine with, and I believe is accepted. By the way, what is it with Pinto, the Barcelona substitute goalkeeper, wearing a different goalkeeper kit on the bench, as to what Valdes is wearing?

This also means that Barcelona have at least four! Goalkeepers wearing same as officials hardly ever happens in PL now Eric, really clamped down in past few years. Just from last weekend you had Stoke v Arsenal, with the Stoke goalkeeper in light blue, and the officials in light blue. Tottenham v West Brom had the Tottenham goalkeeper in light blue, and the officials in light blue. So, match officials kits do clash with goalkeepers in the Premier League!

I believe that in current academy football, if the home team is wearing any black kit Player or GK they must supply a kit for the referee. Seriously though, you do see a lot of goalkeepers and match officials wearing the same colour in the Premier League. So when Liverpool play Norwich at Anfield there may be a clash with the ref in Reina wears Green and Ruddy wears Black. Some odd clashes in the Championship this weekend. With Warrior, less so. Usually it takes at least half an hour for me to prove myself wrong http: That one in was more old gold in my view, zero clash.

David Seaman had orange inand too and there didnt appear to be any confusion. Although, maybe I have a friend in Alex Ferguson, from that game at Molinuex a couple of years ago! I saw Paddy Kenny wearing it against Peterborough the other week, when Leeds turned up in the black third kit. Yes, it is a bit strange. Sure the reverse of the one he wore in the CL Final shootout win over Valencia was red.

Kahn wore this in http: And this in http: Denis, you said that you can change the kits in Football Manager. I never knew this. To what extent can you alter the kits? Yeah, I think he may have even kept it on for the following year too.

They released a new orange third kit for the new season, which they have used. Just seems odd that the black kit is still the away, if it is the same one as last season.

Royal blue against navy blue is generally considered a clash. Last season, any team who played in royal blue and went to the Den to play Millwall who wear navy blue — wore a change kit.

Eric, actually I just remembered that inwhen PL refs began wearing green, goalkeepers were forced to change, with the exception of Peter Schmeichel for some reason. I know that there is red on the shirts, but 95 binary options signals software socks still look out of place.

Stock and option trading simulator with that Denis. The red socks dont suit them at all against a team like sunderland. Paddy Kenny even wore White! Ciaran, Denis, I was thinking about that myself. Sunderland were wearing their first choice kit and I have no problem with Liverpool wearing black shorts but forex rdo socks are an odd one gr?

Not necessarily a clash but just not better than black shirt and shorts. The Liverpool Third has nightshade shorts, right? I imagined the white ones. But I stand by opinion regarding the shirt — the black works better. What annoys me more Denis is the blue numbering and lettering that West Brom use on that kit.

The exact reason why teams have to have different-coloured socks, but not caught. Manchester United always change socks when away to a team with blue socks, is black and black enough of a contrast in such a situation?

Unless Stoke are playing West Ham, of course. They are doing it for the Ferguson fetish! And not many teams wear black socks. And if they do, they usually have a red shirt. Watching the Everton-Newcastle game tonight I was surprised that Newcastle didnt switch to their away shirts. Arsenal wearing red socks on Sunday http: Though I agree Red socks are more traditional. Each of the last five strips has looked so much better for having them, particularly the home strip.

Last season the official home socks were red, but were only used away from home in the event of a clash. Also, interesting to see Malaga wearing their away kit at to Zenit who turned up in all light-blue last night. In April Spurs play at Stamford Bridge, as normal they non statutory non qualified stock option plan switch to navy socks to 95 binary options signals software a clash but my question is will they change shorts too?

Usually they wear Navy but this years kit has white shorts. In my opinion I hate the white shirts, white shorts and dark socks look, it looks unbalanced. Interesting to see the match officials wearing different kits in the Champions League and in the Europa League this season.

I wonder if that is the first choice kit, as it is the same colours as the Europa League branding. Agreed, the EL ones are awful, though the CL refs have had different kits to the rest for the past two seasons at least.

What I dislike most about the Spurs kits, after the white shorts obviously, is that the trim on the home is beige rather than navy. Silver — making money fast plants vs zombies better in the flesh than on TV. Yeah, love those Bayern Away change shorts. Clash of the day for me was at Bramall Lane. Notts County in Pink against Sheffield Utd just does not offer any contrast.

By the way, has anyone noticed the three goalkeeper kits that Adidas have given to most of their clubs this season?

They could have offered a bit more variation. I mean, God knows what an Adidas team who play in blue are supposed to do when they face a team like Wolves. The Liverpool 3rd kit seems to look a lot darker on the field. I was listening to the Norwich game on the radio and they described the Liverpool kit as black. So, in effect,Liverpool have two black kits this season!

Just noticed that Arsenal are away to West Ham next Saturday, will they be allowed to wear the away or will we see the yellow third? Had the same conversation last night whilst enjoying several pints with the Arsenal Tralee Supporters lads who were in town for yesterdays game. They did of course Denis! In person the Liverpool Third does look like a dark navy. But will they revert back to the crest from or keep the one from last season? You able to check that? By the way, Iker Cassillas wore the green outfield third kit against Deportivo tonight.

Iker has worn outfield kits in the past, in the event of a clash. Both Arsenal and Manchester City wore navy at Villa Park last season and both instances caused confusion. Man United wore the black away kit at Villa Park inDenis. They did switch to white for the FA Cup match with Villa a few months later though.

League match — http: FA Cup match — http: Arsenal 3rd, Man Utd, Reading, Southampton. Only just seeing highlights of Villa v West Brom for first time — both in white work from home jobs lifehacker and sky blue socks against white, which Arsenal considered enough of a clash to change from last week.

I think a lot has to do with the most predominant Albion kit in my mind from childhood is the kit. On Match of the Day 3, they go through and review all of the kits in the Premier League this season! That was fun viewing! So many times I wanted to hurl my iPhone out of the window though, and also several moments that demonstrated surprising astuteness.

Maybe I am showing my age here but West Brom in wide stripes with white shorts and socks are best. It was mentioned on this site that Manchester United would never wear all-red when shorts clashed due to the all-red connection with a certain team from Merseyside. Very similar to their old buddies from Yorkshire, nice of them…….

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It was something Gary Neville wanted, for some reason. Since he left, they seem to have stopped doing it. Arsenal wore the away in an U21 game away to West Ham recently: Yeah, could be argued that the sleeves and shorts help dodge the overall clash. Socks may be an issue for some. But after having a close-up look at the shirt in the club shop before the game tonight I can really see a Ref not allowing it to be worn at the weekend.

Work from home data entry jobs columbus ohio rather, what will Newcastle wear? Bordeaux are a bit like Liverpool and a few others in that their third kit is entirely superfluous. Navy home kit, white away kit, and what appears to be a more purpley learning resources pretend and play calculator cash of navy for a third kit, complete with white Vee, and a PINK sash!

Looks more like a Miss World pageant outfit! Characterized by nobility; majestic. Of high spiritual, moral, or intellectual worth. Not to be excelled; supreme. A hybrid kit, whatever next…. Should have worn the yellows I reckon. I thought that the claret shorts were first choice when it was unveiled? Surely the issue of shorts clashing with opposing shirts is irrelevant?

Moving on, Hoffenheim all blue played Bayern all red yesterday, yet turned up in their black away strip…confused? So, you guys were right about Arsenal wearing yellow at Upton Park. Personally, I still think the away kit would have been okay.

In the comments on my article, John linked to a college study on this, with interesting results. In any case, I just realised that the answer to your question is no, as the yellow kit was only worn against Milan last season. By the way, totally agree about the referee premier league clubs on stock market El Clasico.

Why is there such a big deal being made about Newcastle getting Wonga as a sponsor? Nothing was said when they sponsored Hearts or Blackpool. There was a lot of objection when Blackpool got Wonga as sponsor, maybe we never heard much about it given their lower profile compared to Newcastle. Having said that I think a lot of the objection to Wonga is down to people not understanding the market place in which they are operating. The ridicoulously high interest rates quoted by them are based on borrowing a loan over a minimum of 12 months APR.

This is the figure they are required buy shares on canadian stock exchange quote by law however loans offered by companies like Wonga are intended to be very short term.

Eric and Denis, of course the referee should be in black. The referee should always be in black! Unless its a game involving the Scottish national side. That may be Andrew, but I meant in the context of Sunday, where the existing situation was that one team had a mainly-navy kit. I noticed when Aaron Lennon came on as a substitute for England last night, he was wearing number Have they increased the number of subs for qualifiers? It used to be 7, numbered 12 to 18 — although I know some national teams use squad numbers.

Eric, I believe that the official line is that they still have to name 23 players, givenstock market symbol for alibaba only 18 actually in the squad.

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Discussed the number 10 missing for Ireland against Germany with Denis yesterday. The thinking would be a Euro squad picked based around what the expected starting lineup would be, then for the next games the players from the Euros keep their best forex signal app iphone with those missing again being replaced based on expected starting lineup and, with Robbie Keane out, that resulted in the ten not appearing.

Martyn is right, as the Ireland numbers last night were different to the Kazakhstan game, which were in turn different from the European Championship. Denis is right Jay, I was making a joke about the performance as it was, well, a joke I suppose! By the way how to make money on qmee that we have another new kit. A happier time proven binary options with a minimum deposit list Irish football.

Plenty of Liverpool fans around in Ireland back then and of course stock futures vs stock option fair few today. Met a bloke once wearing the away one that he said once belonged to Niall Quinn — it was about 8 sizes too big for him so he could have been telling the truth….

Yeah, Denis and I were discussing how bad that one was just the other day. Oh there must be method to como utilizar el rsi en forex madness.

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There must be some sort stanford livestock market benefit in the two being easily distinguishable, though what that is I have no idea. And the problem with just adding the label is that people will swap them. Do you think they will release a new home and away kit at the same time, and just release new kits every two years bunnings trading hours on anzac day the same time?

Or will they go back to staggering the release dates, which will lead to a kit only lasting one year? The hype will be driven up tenfold before the world cup-more so than normal- with nike involved. A keeper can have the same coloured shorts as the oppo for gods sake. What are the shorts? Back to the findings of that study again…. Eric, the precedent that springs to how to sell intraday shares in icicidirect regarding the England kits would be France.

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Nike took over the FFF contract inI think, immediately released two beautiful kits, then released two more beautiful kits for Euro They have four kits. Black, yellow, grey and light blue. Black would have clashed with England. Grey would have caused an issue with Poland.

And the Poland keeper wore yellow. I decided to leave the overall clash thing. I, unsurprisingly, had no forex bank kristiansand with it, but the thought did occur to me during the game that you and Jay would bring it up!

What was the order I said for precedence on changing? Home outfield, away outfield, away goalkeeper, officials, home goalkeeper? That would have worked today. If only there was a website that could tell us what options he would have…. But using The Jaywortheris Method, Joe Hart would have first choice of gk kit, so could wear all red if he liked. By the way, if people want to start being picky about refs kits, maybe we should mention them wearing the same colour shorts and socks as teams….

Especially in games like this http: Also, I noticed from one of hullcitykits tweets, that the ill thought out Adidas goalkeeper kits are causing a problem. Something which I mentioned on here a few weeks ago…. It was later that season that Arsenal also wore that at OT, but as it was the FA Cup Man Utd were wearing white socks anyway. From to inclusive, as well as andArsenal wore navy socks at OT but in they changed to yellow. A little known fact regarding the Man U Arsenal cup game that season……now we all know that Arsenal will either wear all short sleeves or all long sleeves never a mix except for that game.

Unless anyone out there knows different……. We missed a trick legitimate ways make money internet talking about which kit Arsenal would wear at Upton Park, and whether if it is the yellow third kit, if virtual families 2 getting money will have the anniversary badge, tuesday stock market forecast not.

Mattwhat shorts are those? Celtic wore their away at St Mirren today too, no real problems in my view http: I thought I saw a guy wearing a white one in the first half but it might have just been my stream confusing me. Eric, Jay and I may need to get a room at the Linton Travel Tavern, Kit aficionados and Partridge fans too!

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Adam Bogdan, the Bolton goalkeeper, wore orange in the match with Wolves last night, who were in old gold obviously. Great discussion, with some fantastic points to peruse over. If I may go all the way back to the comments around the ish mark about socks and tape, does anyone have any opinions on boot 4 hour binary options minimum trade 1 Should the boots match the sock colour or should a team multiple linear regression stock market prediction wear the same colour?

Should tape colour matter in this context? What about my fellow Gooner Denis?? Usually, the ankle socks are not worn over the football socks — the foot of the football sock is cut off and then the rest of the football sock is taped on to the animal crossing city folk how to make bells fast sock.

It harks back to that Prima Dona Ponce Ronaldo wanting to show off and have his feet more visable. Original definitely, and black and silver always go well together, not really a fan of halves though.

Agreed that the second kit would suffice but even so Denis I thought even a kit fanatic like yourself could appreciate that a newcomer like under armour needs to showcase its designs to a greater audience. Your right about the home kit. Forgot the traditional design was gone from southampton along with form too it seems! Anyone see the London Irish-Harlequins game? You missed a cracker probably. Scotland v New Zealand from the World Cup was also a prime example http: Yeah, I remember that one.

But Scotia itrade forex think the key difference ruger charger aftermarket parts that the Scotland-Somewhat Blacks game, on paper, and if the shirts were accurately depicted, could have been a clash.

They had a batch of unprinted third kits and it would be easier than reprinting their black kits. Yeah, both goalkeepers wearing the same colour let alone kit! I think this is the case for both Sunderland and Middlesbrough.

Or, one of the teams wearing the light blue goalkeeper kit. Only Bolton do, as teacher of binary options trading as I know. And Hull, after they asked for it. Seen it myself now Jon. Any chance there may have been a half-time change? Neither scenario is really acceptable so either could have been changed for a perceived lesser evil. Arsenal kit man has had a shocker here.

Red socks with the purple kit looks awful. Otherwise the red and white links in reasonably well. Arguably white socks would have been better than red. I feel in situations like this that Home team could help out a little. We all know Fergie likes the white socks; surely this would be solving the clash. At the end of bagaimana cara bermain saham forex day any clash affects both teams and does it really matter who solves it!

Got to agree that either team in White socks looks better than what we saw today. As for the goalkeeper situation I feel that predominantly one teams Goalkeeper shirt should be different colour to everyone else on the pitch. But as for having a GK shirt the share buyback private company malaysia colour as the outfield shirt is just daft.

The officials have 4 options in the Umbro Diamond Kit. Starbucks shares buy or sell, Yellow, Red and Jade Green with Black pinstripes. Changing Socks In the Bundesliga yesterday, FC Bayern played Hamburger SV.

This meant wearing the dark grey third, where the socks would have clashed. What was the outcome? All the teams in the Premier League need to do is to organise what kits each other are going to wear before the season starts.

There seems to be a lack of planning in the Premier League and Football League unless individual teams do it themselves. I think the officials should wear black wherever possible, except if a team wears a strip that is too similar in colour or contrast. Mind you there was a time when Man U would often change their black socks for a white pair for a home match in the league as well, has that quirk been stopped?

United wore white socks v newcastle in the league cup,quite glad they never changed yesterday,not keen on it to be honest,United should always wear black socks at home and that includes european matches. Spurs will wear the Black and Silver halved shirt at City on Sunday. Surely all Navy would offer a better contrast as Silver and Sky Blue advantages expensing stock options quite similar?

All keepers wore green for years and years and it was never a problem. John I know the Tottenham third kit is superfluous, but it seems to be the only new kit this season, as yet, unillustrated. They might use it against West Brom, I suppose. Although I have a feeling that Chelsea will turn up at the Hawthornes with the black third kit. Just flicked over to Middlesborough v Sheffield Wednesday live on Sky Sports, and Investment property pros and cons are wearing their yellow away kit for no reason.

In the Bundesliga, my team FC Bayern have a white away kit and dark grey third, because the teams in Germany that play in red normally do so coupled with black, meaning that a white away sees plenty of action. Surely it makes more sense from a marketing point of view? If I put my cynical head on, is that one of the reasons that Bayern have posted a profit how do i invest in stocks yahoo answers twelve years in a row and so many English clubs are in financial jeopardy?

Fulham are another team that seem to use their earn money to paypal fast kit more often than their away kit. I thought that first forex news tools economic calendar should be used where possible, then away kit and 3rd kit was only comparatif broker options binaires where home and away both clashed.

Matt, your Ref sounds like a bit of a meverick. Matt, what team are we talking about here? The Spurs Third shirts today differed between themselves in that the long sleeved version had misaligned badges. Anyone know why that is? City later this season? The home would have sufficed.

They used the home kit away to Benfica in the Champions League, and they even have a red goalkeeper kit, which has been used with the home kit a few boxing day south australia 2016 this season. Which I agree with. Jay, a stab in the dark says that the long-sleeved shirts had misaligned badges as they were the ones that were always going to have a poppy printed on them but some Spurs players chose short sleeves instead.

Have I won anything?? I believe, and I may be wrong, that a lot of manufacturers actually apply distinguishing details to or remove them from the upper central section of the front of long-sleeved football shirts so they can be easily identified when they are folded and packaged in a cellophane square for dispatch to clubs and retailers.

Yes, they will generally have a serial number sticker and other identifying labels but stickers can fall off and mistakes can be made. The long-sleeved version has a stock market performance under democrats rather than v neck and moves the three gold stars to the sleeve too. Good point about the ref which makes me think the combination will be seen again with the first team.

I think it may have been an inadvertent joke on your part too. Maybe the 2 countries just decided amongst themselves rather than having some FIFA bigwig choose. Maybe things are relaxed for friendly matches? I just remembered a friendly between the two at Old Trafford inwhere both teams wore their home kit. One team usually changes, an example being the match at the World Cup, when Brazil wore blue. Yet when the two teams played each in other in heckler koch stock market inat Wembley, and inin Doha, both teams wore their home kits.

Have we forgotten Euro already? They did indeed wear the navy kit with navy change shorts against Sweden then. Do they tend to wear change items shorts and socks or has it just worked out that way in recent years? I assume the former on occasion, right?

Incidentally, have Spurs worn that Third kit in Europe this season? Was it designed for exactly that? I ask because those crests on the socks look bound to be too large to be cleared by Uefa. Sorry to bring up the Rugby Union code again but has anyone seen the images from the Scotland-South Africa game?

Rugby is different to football because of the two lines of players rather than everyone fighting for the same space like football. The last time Spurs had an all-white kit and they came to our place they just changed to blue shorts proper Spurs kit. I was at the game and it looked rubbish, luckily the game was superb…. I went to the Birmingham v Hull match yesterday who would have guessed?!

A man after my own heart. There surely has to be a strong argument that Chelsea should have worn their Home kit with the blue Home change socks which earlier this season were even being retailed. Navy v that blue would have caused less confusion than navy v black, no? Navy sleeves vs navy sleeves when West Brom play Spurs could be an issue. Especially when they went years wearing a pair of navy blue change shorts with the home kit. Definitely worth a look.

I wrote a response to it here too http: As far as WBA vs Chelsea, I think the yellow on the shirts prevented a clash. I think similar colours are OK — and not to be pedantic, but Hull City play in amber, not orange.

If the ref said its OK, then its OK, yes? Come on people, lighten up! The West Brom shade download forex clock software blue is lighter than I thought and the white details on the sleeves were probably more distinguishable from the bright yellow than they would have been from the reflective gold. I still think it poses problems for Spurs though. Fans should experience an absolute minimum of confusion or none at all when the ball is played into the box for freekicks and the goalkeeper is involved.

Hull, as you said, wore amber shorts for know reason. But Amos, in goal, wore what I think can i buy royal mail shares through hsbc the black training shorts. It would have been a lot simpler. In the case of Hull, I think orange and tan goalkeeper kits should be a no-no.

That leaves them with blue and nothing else. Might be alone on this! But I would go back to my original point: Why should we be different today? After all, my team FC Bayern have a red third GK strip which, while seeming a little pointless at first, was worn by Manu Neuer against Lille at home.

Bayern wore their third strip at home and Lille arrived in their white away, meaning the red GK strip worked perfectly. I agree that outfield shirts should be worn by goalkeepers in a lot of these circumstances, as is the way with Olympique de Marseille and others. Generally in the Bundesliga which as an FC Bayern fan I follow more than any otherGK kits tend to alternate away from the respective teams home and away shirts.

Roman Weidenfeller at Dortmund wears lurid coloured bespoke kits, which was the case when Kappa supplied the club, so I think its his own choice! I see Real Madrid are wearing their green third kit at Man City tonight. I was expecting them to be in the navy blue away kit. Look at that, I got something right. Denis, you disappoint tase israel stock exchange. Is it the sleeve hoops?

Did we not find when checking those rules that sleeve hoops were outlawed? Or a particularly type were perhaps. Too many colours of sleeve hoop? The only way I can see that Arsenal were breaking any kit rules last night is that the CL patch was too high on the sleeve as it was placed above the hoops but surely not….

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Against Montpellier, however, Wojciech Szczesny wore a short-sleeved shirt and his baselayer was in the same shade of green. Far better visually but still technically illegal. Good old article 8. Saw a terrible clash today on the train back to London. As it passed through Beckenham, there was a pitch where one team was in orange shirts, black shorts and orange socks think video on the binary options torrent orange, like Holland in France 98 and the other side in red shirts, black shorts and red socks.

Whilst it is always interesting to hear new ideas, I think people are over-complicating things with goalkeeper kits. Like with Hull, where this discussion started with. Adidas should really provide a better selection than orange, cyan, and tan.

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If you have matching change shorts or socks for a kit, it still remains integrated when they are worn. I had expected similar to happen at Make raw cashew cheesecake Trafford, plain purple socks perhaps or white with purple and black trim, the home change socks just looked terrible.

I am working on something in this subject though and hope to have it by the end of the week. Personally I think it would be a good the joptionpane showinputdialog example cancel — IMO the last few Nike Gunners kits have been disappointing, so it would be interesting to see what adidas could do.

I think that they would stay within the traditional look of both kits, which would hopefully mean a return to yellow and blue away…I just think that Nike have lost their way, and adidas have indian stock market powerpoint consistently strong for years now.

What I predict is that Nike will give Arsenal a great yellow and blue away as their last kit for the club, then adidas come in with some classics for Of course they do! Makes it even odder that they wore the 3rd strip at our place. In the mid-eighties Spurs wore all-white for a couple of seasons and if memory serves me right we turned up in yellow at WHL which just looked wrong.

The following year I believe that Spurs reverted to blue shorts for the fixture to enable us to wear red. Can any Tottenham fans back that story up for me?? Sounds interesting if true! Hopefully your prediction will be spot-on, that shirt skalpingovye strategy binary options go down a storm round these parts.

When will know more about your latest project Denis? As a Bayern fan, imagine that one using our away template from this year — yellow with self coloured stripes, and a royal blue collar with either the gun from the club badge euro foreign exchange rates post office just a gothic AFC monogram…mouthwatering, eh?

I think the best away kit Nike made for Arsenal was the one from their invincibles season — yellow jersey, blue shorts, yellow socks…. Martin is on the money about tradition though. I still look back at the double footage and see how fantastic the plain yellow and blue away kit against Stoke also looking brilliant in all-white was, not forgetting the short-sleeved version with blue trim for the final against Liverpool, surely the greatest away shirt ever!

Home kit should, without any doubt, have red socks with a single white band. Denis, True, Herbert Chapman came up with the white sleeves, Don Revie changed Leeds to match Real Madrid, and Bill Shankly ditched white shorts, to name but three. Aetna rn work from home jobs, I accept it went on a lot as recently as the sixties, but honestly, Herbert Chapman was a true visionary, years ahead of his time, who recognised that because of the glut of red shirted teams in the league his team needed something distinctive, whereas Wenger, Gullit, Ferguson et al are just being picky.

On that subject, are we saying the Spurs Away shorts are designed to steel stock market symbols nasdaq worn with the Home shirt on occasion? And it will most certainly be a bespoke kit.

The Arsenal deal with Nike ends at the end ofwhich is when any new deal with adidas would begin. The game that Arsenal wore their yellow away kit at Tottenham was on 29th Marchwhat was the score? I think someone is going to have a field day about Premier League kits tonight, particularly Newcastle. These are currently the worst circumstances to fall in love with a football kit in — both football-wise and for playing wear choice reasons — but that Liverpool Away is fantastic.

Yes, bizarre kit choices in the Prem last night…Re. For the love of all that is good about football, why oh why did a team that plays in all red choose to don their away against a this season at least all white team?

We have all been discussing this for weeks now, surely its time the FA stepped in? Because whatever regulations are in place, this is getting rediculous…. As soon as I dollar exchange rate pakistan rupee in to WHL vps murah buat forex night and realised Liverpool had changed I was disgusted.

All Red epitomises Liverpool and they should NEVER deviate from it unless necessary. It is the first time I can recall them changing at Spurs mainly cos they frequently have Making money fast plants vs zombies away shirts. Oh and for anyone wondering about what Ronan said, the mighty Spurs beat the Ox in March The goal scored by a World Cup bound Gary Stevens.

Incidentally, last season, when Newcastle had more black on their home, they wore the all-black third at Stoke. For example Newcastle wearing fluorescent yellow at Sunderland, but wearing the home kit as Stoke despite both opponents wearing red and white stripes. Likewise QPR against both those teams, having worn their sky blue kit at Stoke, they wore the home kit at Sunderland.

Claret is after all dark red. Hamburger SV have an away strip that is sky blue shirts, navy shorts, and sky blue socks, with their third kit being all black. When they recently played a team wearing dark shorts with a light shirt, they actually unveiled a bespoke pair of white shorts with navy trim to go with the shirt.

Bayern did a similar thing with their away shirt and came up with a bespoke reverse of their normal away shorts. Elsewhere, most teams at least have the provision to mix and match VfB Stuttgart could come up with several combinations between their three kits if they wanted to.

There is a Bundesliga highlights program on ITV4 tonight at I remember in the same season Dortmund played Leverkusen at home, and switched their usual yellow shirts for a black and yellow striped version, for no apparent reason. Leverkusen at least had the decency to turn up in red away shorts. Going back to for the last time, I promise! I can confirm that the following season Spurs changed from white shorts to blue to enable The Gunners to wear red and fair play to them as well.

This actually happened not just once, but on 3 occasions that season. Arsenal v Everton both wore white shorts and Celtic v Hearts did too last week. I think it may have been in Africa, a WC qualifier, someone like Mali perhaps? Actually, thats a good one for you, Denis or Jon — is that the most kits a club have worn in one season? A red and black stripes away kit. And a light blue and black stipes third kit.

When we turned up at Selhurst Park towards the end of the season to play Crystal Palace, all three kits were judged to clash with the blue and red stripes of Palace. Funnily enough, two weeks later we turned up at Oldham, who had blue and red hoops, and the same thing happened again.

I think it counts Adam! I know there are a lot of teams in Turkey who wear more than four kits in a single season, more often than not some of the kits are variations of the same colours, which in my opinion is a waste of time. For example I remember Bursaspor had something daft like 7 kits in one season, of which four were all green and white jerseys of different designs hoops, stripes, halves and Ajax stylea white kit, a green kit and…. Especially when Everton have a white away shirt and a black third — surely either would have worked better?

Surely Athletic Bilbao should have worn change shorts and socks at the Nou Camp last night. Elgin wear black and white stripes, and the referee chose to wear grey! I suppose wearing yellow was too simple……. Rotherham United v Notts County — red shirts, white shorts for Rotherham, black and white stripes, black shorts for County. Should be simple enough. County having none of that common sense rubbish and decide to change to their orange and black shirts causing IMO a real clash, absolute madness!

I felt that there was plenty contrast between City and Everton, though it just seemed odd coming so soon after Liverpool and Spurs changed at Spurs and Arsenal respectively. It also seems odd in this day and age when teams wear change kits for no reason other than seemingly to help sales, in a situation wear you would be better off wearing a change kit, you decide not to.

Although, I would have preferred Everton to wear the black kit. It annoyed me when Swansea wore there home kit at the Etihad a few weeks ago. With white shorts too! Would you prefer me to put it on here it would be quite a long post? There are some interesting kits in germany this year. OK Denis, will do it in the next day or so…Just a small teaser: Do Burton Albion really wear entirely plain shorts? Martynare you thinking of Richard Dunne requiring his number to be felt-tipped on to a plain second shirt in Russia after his head bled onto his first?

Denisdo you mean Liverpool had four kits — including the Euro Home — in rather than ? Denisthat piece on Arsenal one-off combinations is genius. Though I do dispute how much of a mismatch the Arsenal Home change socks looked with the Away kit the other day. Ditto the Liverpool Away worn with the Home socks at Sunderland — technically not mismatching at all.

AdamI think those Chelsea shorts are the greatest things ever probably an exaggerationparticularly the change versions. MartynI have never seen that Dortmund shirt before! It looks like something from the late 90s. That game was on 17th December so any chance it was a Christmas kit?

Ericis it just me or have you been posting a lot less recently? I had put it down to a rigorous self-flagelation routine in response to finally accepting that the overall clash not only exists but is the only sort of clash, aside from clashing socks, worth worrying about.

And Bilbao should have worn their green and white now Third kit, because it would have solved the problem and is superb. Jay, no it was Red home, gold and navy away, previous green away worn at Bradford and future white away worn at Barcelona. Well I have no recollection of that!

But it was the most bizarre one off I can recall, being as the home shirt presented no clash whatsoever with ours. Denis, Ok, here goes: Euro H Black shirts with yellow chest stripe and checkerboard shadow pattern, yellow shorts with black trim, black socks with yellow trim; Third: All silver grey with black trim; Euro: All red with gold trim; Away: Royal blue shirts with white trim, white shorts with royal blue trim, royal blue socks with white trim; Away: White with sky blue pinstripes and sky and royal blue trim, white shorts and socks with royal and sky trim; Third: Cerise shirts with white trim, navy shorts with cerise and white trim, navy socks with white trim Borussia Monchengladbach Lotto: All white with red chest band and trim; Away: All white with green trim, and black shoulder bars; Third: All black with grey hoops on shirt and green trim, Third: All mid blue with white pinstripes and white trim; Away current Switzerland A: All black with white trim Mainz Nike: All navy with teal angled halves; Third: All white with green and red offset stripe on shirt and red and green trim; Away: All black with red and green chest stripe and trim;Third: All navy with silver trim, sock turnovers as home; Third: Newcastle 3 all red with white horizontal pinstripes and white trim; Away same template as H: Hope that satisfies your inner geek!

Everything about that kit is horrible Matt. Martyn — very interesting stuff, any particular reason why there are so many teams with red shirts and black shorts? Most English teams seem to play in red and white or blue and white — British colours if you look at the England — West Germany game of you see Union flags rather than St George flags everywhere. Only 2 Bundesliga teams have it as a first choice and the only other top flight regular-ish teams I can think of are Munich, Hertha Berlin and Hansa Rostock.

There are more teams wearing green in the Bundesliga this season — a far contrast from England. Thanks all for your comments re. Bayern strips — right up my street as a Bayern fan! Agreed, the shirt seemed a bit bizarre, and being as usually play in sky blue, for the Munchen derby in these years, Bayern had a short lived all red strip. Thanks for listening, people, and allowing me to share a passion of mine. Fascinating as always Martyn! Denis, Thanks, it was my pleasure. Could you shed any light on it?

Ah, nearly but not quite! Interestingly, Seeler played his entire German career for Hamburger SV, who have the unusual distinction of having a set home socks design royal blue with white and black blocked turnovers. Is this unique in world football? Just to clarify, the original lyrics of The Billy Boys were not sectarian as far as I know, but it has been subsequently modified.

Sky-blue and maroon it is!

Nick would you pair the iconic socks with White shorts? I personally think White shorts work best. Your best kit in many years was the round neck version you won the FA Cup in. Hi Andrew, I would to be honest. I love those all-blue numbers with Umbro diamond taping, but white is my preference. Agree with your comment about the strip — the previous home shirt was great, but the cut and fit of is just brilliant.

Plain white shorts also a winner. Nick I confused myself. Shame the maroon topped socks were never paired with this. I love the bold white collar against the red and black stripes. Hamburger SV are the only club I could think of that had done it consistently, because its based on the badge a royal blue rectangle with black and white diamonds in the centre. For me, either of these work, but as a City fan, what do you reckon?

Quick one for Denis: To answer your first question: Finally, a little fact. And would I be right in saying that the black and red comes from when City were known as Ardwick FC? So therefore you have more of a claim on those colours anyway…: Leicester City Vs Manchester City. City won, wearing black and red, so you could say I have a soft spot for them and that kit because of that.

All terrible and complacent designs. Two answer your second question: And can you imagine plastic badges on the player versions — particularly England — sacrilege! Martyn, I agree about it being a cop-out — a lazy line centred wholly around commercial rather than design imperatives.

I read that in True Colours Volume 1 — John says in there that upon formation in City played in red and black stripes, before switching to sky blue in — Utd started wearing red inbut had been green and yellow until then.

Being as how thorough John is, I would think this is correct.

If, for example, they had a plain white shirt with a red stripe under the badge like the Holland Euro away shirt and navy trim, I think that would be classy. Even plain white with the tiniest bit of trim would be OK. I agree that it will be very interesting to see how Nike present the England crest on the new kit.

Have these been seen before this season? Now, granted, they were away from home, but it would solve the problem against Tottenham if the London side wore their all-white Home kit and West Brom turned out in what they were wearing at the weekend. Denis, does any version of Fifa 13 allow interchanging of kit elements or change items? Denis, do you not think the all yellow Third goalkeeper kit is outfield-y enough?

Teams have often had outfield kits and gk strips which were if similar colours. ArsenalChelsea and Bayern this year off the top of my head. Most of my posts seem to start this way these days, but here goes anyway: As a referee, I would have an issue with the Spurs third shirt being used at the Hawthorns. From side on it looks striped, the contrast is dark and light just as West Broms kit is.

I fear they will be forced into fudging it and wearing White — Navy — Navy, which I definately wouldnt be happy with either. Look at WBA v Newcastle from I think it was the yellow areas that distinguished it from WBA at the Hawthorns. I personally think that the best Spurs solution would be their home shirts coupled with navy shorts and socks would just about work. The silver and navy third would IMO clash too much, even if it was coupled with white shorts and socks — the silver would look too close to the white of WBA as noted above.

Enough with the Spinal Tap references. Marshall used to sponsor MK Dons and their logo was on every shirt, up to Damn you, squad numbers. I think, assuming no Fourth kit will be unveiled nor a goalkeeper kit used nor West Brom changing shorts and socks, the least of many evils would actually be Spurs wearing the navy Away in its entirety.

So I guess my point is this: I know that seems strange, but they probably thought the kit was purple, or black. Fulham obviously had to change kit, but they are in the black third kit. Whenever I have seen Fulham this season, and they have had to change kit, they have always been in the black third kit.

Personally I loved it! Going back to commentators, generally the BBC are much better, as over on ITV they are so inept, particularly with regards to German football, that to be honest I watch most ECL matches with the sound off! As any of us who post on this site would agree, a strip is a strip; nice or ugly, top of the league or bottom, we know what we like! Does the red, white and green Swansea away kit have any historical significance? I quite like it, though.

Although, having the same colour shorts or socks on both a home and away kit annoys me for some reason…. Did I imagine that? I seem to remember someone, I think it was Jay, mention that they played Ipswich in a under match and switched to red shorts. Not sure Martyn, I do know that at the Emirates they wore white shorts with special black socks that had gold stripes. By the way, talking of Swansea, Man City v Swansea is my pick for worst clash of the season in the Premier League so far!

As Everton, Man Utd etc. Which seems daft to me. Historically Arsenal seem more interested in changing to an away kit rather than change shorts Denis. As a ref I am only interested in sleeves or socks clashing. Obviously the body of the shirt cannot clash either but that is more for team mates being able to identify each other. On this subject, as an interesting piece of trivia, does anyone know when the first instances of change shorts came about? Oh, it was you Scott, not Jay, who mentioned about Swansea switching to red shorts in a youth game.

They did Martyn, as well as yellow numbers on the shirts and yellow stripes on their shorts! Is an emergency third kit required for Villa? Did anyone see Torquay v Northampton from League 2 this weekend? At the time i wondered why they wore the red away kit instead of the home. I think they did at Everton too. Forgotten about the Leeds game Denis…. Maybe after the trip to Old Trafford, where they had to use the change jade socks, they thought it looked better?!

If the Saints had their traditional colours this season, rather than the all red strip, then teams in dark socks would have to change. Man U changed at Southampton in the cup a few years ago when Southampton had their white anniversary kit. We saw it in the Spurs-West Brom game where the away side wore red change shorts and socks.

I think kitmen should take a principled approach more often. Just ask Southampton inwhen they wore all-red at Everton, despite only the white socks clashing, only to get absolutely tonked something like Which is why if we have a shorts clash these days we change the whole strip.

I had forgotten about those Liverpool shorts and socks. They were surely gold but a little bit dull for my liking. I think it was usually paired with navy or red. See, wearing special kits at certain grounds is fantastic. All red at Everton or the Brazil colours at Kaiserslautern is great. In the end they went with red shirt and blue shorts and socks.

Ron Jones, who commentates on Today FM in Ireland, always annoys me. Like anything introduced after is ridiculous…. Personally I have to ignore English TV commentators because they never get Bundesliga facts right!

Though thinking about it we might have to wear our regular home at the Allianz because of the purple peril. Denis, how can that possibly be a bad thing? Those who have been involved in the West Brom-Tottenham discussion may be interested in this http: There was a brief conversation with Mick Martin, the co-commentator, on the day that Manchester City hosted Everton.

Martin said that, with Christmas approaching, he would have thought that they would look to showcase an away kit. Or, Spurs wear it. Much better than having an extensional crisis talking about wearing a certain colour baselayer, or goalkeeper kits….

I just think, whilst it is fun being a kit geek, as we all are, I think sometimes we are all in danger of disappearing up own backsides. But demanding a certain baselayer?

Why not just have Albion wear their away kit? But if we talking about Albion wearing navy change shorts and socks, why not just go the whole hog and change shirts? If the referee deems all three Tottenham kits to clash, they should wear the Albion red away kit. Teams have done it many many times in the past.

Maybe things are a bit more sensitive now regarding teams promoting other brands. Or maybe it is just easier for the home team to dig out away shirts which are already printed up and the correct size and ready to go.

I just think talking about baselayers, or wearing goalkeeper kits, kit geeks trying to eat themselves. Oh I know that Jay is talking through his hoop with the baselayers and the GK kits, but at least I hope he is doing it in a half-self-mocking way. I think there is a strong possibility that the referee will ask WBA to change, as with that Villa-West Ham game a while back. In previous years Newcastle have just worn white change socks, so why not yesterday? Firstly, Martyn, great idea with Scenario B.

I can only think that anyone who would come up with something like that would be incredibly intelligent and strikingly handsome too. But imagine if someone had come up with it before West Brom had even worn those navy change shorts and socks….

Now, whether or not I think either of those scenarios will come to pass is a very different question. I think Spurs will wear white-navy-navy or the Third kit.

Any implausibility reflects the deficiencies of the people involved not flaws in my theory. See, this is where we need that study again. And it would mean a hell of a lot of white on show. I know it is impractial, but as we all know, anything can happen nowadays! I just think we are all guilty of sometimes over-thinking these things. The baselayer thing, I just think is a bit ridiculous. Not baselayers generally, just the colour of them.

Should players with white or black arms only be allowed on a certain team? It is up to the away team to bring a kit which provides an alternative. And, I was just making the point, if we are going to ask West Brom to wear navy change shorts and socks, why not just have them wear the away kit? Although, I can see why you guys see it as an issue. If it is then simply Tottenham should wear the red West Brom away kit.

West Brom should not have to change anything. And if Aurasma are not happy, it is only one match, and then maybe it will force Under Armour to actually do their job properly next season, and provide Tottenham with kits that provide a clear alternative. Clubs and suppliers are forgetting the true purpose of a set of kits, not to sell replicas but to dress the side. People will still want to wear the team strip.

No home kit should ever change. Should be down to the away side. Spurs have no decent alternative? It should be skins then with Aurasma and Under Armour crudely applied with marker pen. A debate which broaches ethnicity is not something I want to get into but it is an elephant in the baselayer room — albeit a miniature one.

The most recent clashes which spring to mind, always seemed to have the home team changing. JayI shall ignore the sarcasm! A new fourth kit would solve the problem, and would give Under Armour an excuse for more revenue generating.

What price UA pulling the same trick? What the hell have you got in your ears?! They do tell you not to go too deep. I could have been more gross than that! Seriously, I can remember Barca turning out in orange away with blue trim, or sky blue.

What possessed Nike to issue a psychedelic piece of hideousness that is surely one of the worst kits I have ever seen? I think Nike handed the thing over to them, or something. It would explain a lot…. As a Cork City fan, I can recall fout teams wearing City kits — Dundalk inDerry City inGalway United in and Bray Wanderers in I love the gradient effect, the striking colour and the lack of flashy flicks or flaps.

The overall effect is nice, and also affords them the opportunity to use the shorts as home alternatives. Not as much as what they will wear at the Hawthornes, but still…. And, to answer your question, yes, they are. For some reason, Swansea wore their black home change socks rather than their green away set at Fulham. OK, so let me get this right: Two tone red gingham with black trim is more of a clash with a predominantly white and black striped shirt? And red socks clash with white?

Is it me, or has Premiership strip selection taken a turn to the bizarre recently…. How about a new debate?

Worst Premiership strips of all time? Nottingham Forest away Sorry, Umbro again: Basically, I was hoping that any discussion on such a subject would up to our usual high standards rather than the usual Daily Mail or Sun features on hideous kits:. Yeah, I was really happy to see Chelsea in white shorts, with overall clash philosophy winning out. Then I saw what Liverpool did, which was absolutely shameful. To do it again is embarrassing. And would someone kindly explain to me why Chelsea turn up at Norwich in the away shirt with change navy shorts and socks when none of it was needed and go to Goodison in all white when the change away shorts ARE needed?

Better still, why wear the black and yellow third at Wigan, and the all white at Everton? Are we living in the Twilight Zone, where nothing makes sense…?

I just find it highly ironic that Liverpool wore the black at Spurs and today, and the purple at Norwich, yet against Hearts they could not provide a kit which differentiated. You see this a lot, but it still annoys me. Middlesbrough are playing Blackpool. I personally have no problem with that Eric, it is clearly distinguishable from the rest of the field, the GK is only one player, 11 players wearing orange definitely be a clash. If the ruling still stands that each PL team should wear each kit a certain number of times, than unfortunately clubs have no other option to don kits where totally unnecessary.

As soon as this stupid and money spinning rule is gone, the sooner we will have nothing to discuss about! The shirt sponsor, as you say, has no influence over which kit is worn…as far as I know. He was told what kit the team should wear. If it would be deemed a clash with the outfield players, it should also be the same for goalkeepers.

Whether it is one player, eleven players, or the match officials, a clash is a clash. Middlesbrough have a light blue, sorry super cyan, goalkeeper kit which they could have used. They only had to play 10 away games and some of them were against teams in blue so the third kit was worn, they never broke any rules though the PL were foolish for allowing it. I would post the links, but I would probably have my email removed!

They wore it against Manchester United, Middlesbrough, Arsenal, Manchester City, Bolton, Liverpool, Blackburn, Charlton, and Leeds. Liverpool strip choice — I have no access to strip sales figures, but I would say that the home shirt sales are probably strong return of the Liverbird and all thatbut the away and third less so, therefore commercial considerations ARE influencing kit choice.

Warrior are obviously doing the same thing with Liverpool, and what is really sad is that they are going along with it. As much as i dislike Liverpool fc they should be bigger than being dictated to by Warrior or whoever!!

Watching WBA v Fulham now, I think that Spurs in all-navy will suffice as the West Brom white shorts help to show up the white stripes more. Ben Foster is wearing all-black and there is no issue. Some refs may have an issue with a sleeve clash if Spurs were to wear their away, but Swansea wore white at Arsenal, for instance, and there was no problem.

Exactly what I said in post after watching WBA v Chelsea, Denis. The third kit on the other hand would be a mare. So you did HArry, sorry for not spotting that, time to compartmentalise comments into specific sections, hurry up with the new forum John! Oh and happy new year! I would imagine everyone would see that as a clash. Hopefully we will get a change for the second half. Away from football, this Van Gerwin bloke can certainly through a dart….

Good point about Seaman, in and the away was navy and he had black strips, check the game at Old Trafford in 96 where Cantona scored the screamer for a good example. Carlos Roa in the England-Argentina WC98 game is another similar instance. What about the stoke away kit? Basically blue and red stripes. There was no issues with it clashing with united red shirts as its mainly blue. For once I am happy to be a Pedant, The WBA home shirt is predominantly Navy, there is no chance Tottenham can wear the Away shirt.

But referees have allowed sleeve clashes the last three times Arsenal and Swansea have played in the league Andrew, not to mention Arsenal and Tottenham. While it is normally catered for, Man City and Villa had a sleeve-clash in too http: The body is much closer. Man City and Villa have played each other many many times, with both teams wearing their home kits.

And as you say, Arsenal against teams in white seems to be allowed. It seems people pick and choose when sleeve clashes are a problem, or not. I think it looks bad when a team has big cuffs, as Everton do, and some players wear baselayers and some wear long sleeves.

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So where do the English FA stand on baselayers? Call me old fashioned but I think only shirts, shorts, and socks should fall under FA regulations. I generally think that players have enough common sense to be able to select an appropriate base layer, without yet another rule being waved under their noses. Basically there is so much money in the modern game that if a team wants to wear a strip that clashes, they will probably get away with it.

Sad but true, and evidence this season bears it out. Glad to see QPR in their red away last night — given what has gone before I half expected to see them in hoops! Yes, Martyn, the rule on baselayers is more or less the same as the one on cycling shorts. Hearts v Hibs on now, both in normal strips while refs in black.

Martyn, trust me, players are devoid of common sense. I know it is, Andrew. I see the possible problem with it being used against Stoke, Arsenal and Sunderland. But you still have Aston Villa, West Ham, Liverpool and Manchester United. Four times is an okay amount for an away kit to be used, in my opinion.

I remember the press release at the time, and despaired at another clubs heritage being stamped all over by marketing men…Fair enough, the all white with red sash from a few years ago WAS lovely, but was a special centenary kit…The Saints for me should ALWAYS be in red and white stripes and black shorts home, yellow shirts and blue shorts away.

Now I may be biased being as Bayern have a long association with them but I think the only one of those suppliers still on the top of their game is adidas. Not meant to be taken too seriously though.

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I think we may be looking back on past kits — certainly whole seasons collectively — through rose-tinted spectacles. Personally I yearn for those adidas Equipment designs now. I think their retro time has come. Agree with most all of it.

Some of the comments sadly seem to miss the point. That was enjoyable James, as you say, not to be taken too seriously. Although one or two people at Nike would do well to have a look at it….

In terms of Bayern, I did like the V2 adidas equipment home shirt when white trim was added to the previously just red and blue, and blue sleeves were addedbut our best kits were the ones with traditional three stripe trim with the exception of the midnight blue home strip. But I shall finish by saying this: Pointless pedantry from me Martyn, but the white trim was on the first version in and as well!

Speaking of Arsenal and Adidas, a friend of mine from Ireland contacted me yesterday telling me to have a look at boxoffice. The home looks ok but white shirts and blue shorts for the away! Too busy watching Barca to actually type things correctly! To me it just looks like standard fare from FootballShirtCulture. That seems a very unlikely choice from adidas. I think the crest moving back to the centre again is also a bit suspicious. If adidas get the contract, I would wager big money that their first away will be very like the one.

Or because it was the first one from the first adidas deal? Yeah, because it was the first one, though maybe on second thoughts they might go for the populist route and have navy sleeves like the strip. Dennis, Sorry, memory was playing tricks on me, I forgot that the adidas equipment shoulder stripes had white edges, but what I meant was that the V2 version was much more elaborate, with double piping on the cuffs, extra trim on the collar etc.

I would think that the home would be a similar template to our away, ie. I saw Bayern in the V1 version when they played Cork City in the UEFA Cup inbut I preferred the second version!

They did the same thing inas that seasons kit was paired with white shorts and socks, and no adidas stripes…In it was switched to all red with the three stripes returning. Aston Villa in Lime Green against Bradford: What about the keeper wearing orange? I actually have much more of a problem with Shay Given wearing orange.

I can only assume they are not wearing it because the Bradford goalkeeper, and the match officials are in black.